I remember a couple weeks ago the discourse was all about how "civilized" men were a gift that women give each other. Actually, the trait that women should be producing in men and then gifting to each other is sexual assertiveness. Like anything else, people get better at sex by practice and feedback. For better or for worse, the men who…
I remember a couple weeks ago the discourse was all about how "civilized" men were a gift that women give each other. Actually, the trait that women should be producing in men and then gifting to each other is sexual assertiveness. Like anything else, people get better at sex by practice and feedback. For better or for worse, the men who internalize feminist ideas are presumably getting less practice in because they are desexualizing the workplace, not bothering women, avoiding women younger than them, and requiring clear and enthusiastic consent.
Yes, I agree, those men aren’t very successful either. I think there’s something in between here, where men who *understand* women, have female friends etc. and respect women but don’t become *subservient* to women are the most sexually attractive and successful. Getting clear and enthusiastic consent is easy when a woman is actually attracted to you. I don’t mean verbally saying “can I kiss your neck now, can I touch your breast now”, that will generally give a woman the “ick”, but it’s not actually so hard to tell when a woman is excited to have sex with a man. What women want is a civilized man who knows how to control his primitive urges in general, only to release them on her.
Not sure if we mean the same thing, when I wrote "bother", I mean the practice of chatting up women, which is described by some people as bothering them. Regardless, whether they are getting more sex or not isn't really something I have any certainty about. Rather, I'm just taking the maryarchived linked TikTok's assertion that misogynistic men are better in bed at face value and offering a plausible explanation if it is true.
Yeah, and I generally agree except on the enthusiastic consent piece of your first comment - even the PUA community which I have some problems with is clearly on to something with helping men get over the problem of inaction and fear of rejection. Certainly helps with getting women in the long run.
I don't agree. There is something to be said for sheer numbers and shamelessness. I guy who just makes a move with lots of women...and who does not particularly care whether he gets called a creep or gossiped about...IS going to have higher success just based on the numbers. Most people fear rejection, fear being viewed as pushy, and care what other people think. They would HATE being door to door salesmen for example. But it's pretty similar...if you knock enough doors and just move on quickly at all the nos and doors slammed in your face, you're going to make a lot of sales eventually, even if 9 out of 10 say no.
I remember a couple weeks ago the discourse was all about how "civilized" men were a gift that women give each other. Actually, the trait that women should be producing in men and then gifting to each other is sexual assertiveness. Like anything else, people get better at sex by practice and feedback. For better or for worse, the men who internalize feminist ideas are presumably getting less practice in because they are desexualizing the workplace, not bothering women, avoiding women younger than them, and requiring clear and enthusiastic consent.
The men who "bother" women aren't getting sex. Women call them creeps behind their back and warn each others about these guys.
Yes, I agree, those men aren’t very successful either. I think there’s something in between here, where men who *understand* women, have female friends etc. and respect women but don’t become *subservient* to women are the most sexually attractive and successful. Getting clear and enthusiastic consent is easy when a woman is actually attracted to you. I don’t mean verbally saying “can I kiss your neck now, can I touch your breast now”, that will generally give a woman the “ick”, but it’s not actually so hard to tell when a woman is excited to have sex with a man. What women want is a civilized man who knows how to control his primitive urges in general, only to release them on her.
Not sure if we mean the same thing, when I wrote "bother", I mean the practice of chatting up women, which is described by some people as bothering them. Regardless, whether they are getting more sex or not isn't really something I have any certainty about. Rather, I'm just taking the maryarchived linked TikTok's assertion that misogynistic men are better in bed at face value and offering a plausible explanation if it is true.
Yeah, and I generally agree except on the enthusiastic consent piece of your first comment - even the PUA community which I have some problems with is clearly on to something with helping men get over the problem of inaction and fear of rejection. Certainly helps with getting women in the long run.
I don't agree. There is something to be said for sheer numbers and shamelessness. I guy who just makes a move with lots of women...and who does not particularly care whether he gets called a creep or gossiped about...IS going to have higher success just based on the numbers. Most people fear rejection, fear being viewed as pushy, and care what other people think. They would HATE being door to door salesmen for example. But it's pretty similar...if you knock enough doors and just move on quickly at all the nos and doors slammed in your face, you're going to make a lot of sales eventually, even if 9 out of 10 say no.