Another thing - how many people do you actually think will get T3 abortions for no reason? I think a very small number. I'm willing to accept that for the sake of liberty. Unless you believe in draconian drug restrictions and surveillance everywhere to stop crime, you should too.
Another thing - how many people do you actually think will get T3 abortions for no reason? I think a very small number. I'm willing to accept that for the sake of liberty. Unless you believe in draconian drug restrictions and surveillance everywhere to stop crime, you should too.
All good points, thanks for the comments. My position was long against late in pregnancy abortions but I’ve come to doubt the benefits of that given the liberty concerns, edge cases etc. That said, I do think a larger number of voluntary late abortions do happen vs what pro choicers tend to think. The data is bad but there’s ~4000 abortions after the 21st week per year in the US and it’s unclear how many are “voluntary” but I think it’s potentially the majority of those… will link to 2 things I looked at in a previous piece
Quoting myself: “ But there are still over 4,000 abortions per year that happen later than 21 weeks into pregnancy. And for people that agree that late in pregnancy abortions are on a spectrum with infanticide, noting that there are “only” 4,000 per year isn’t a convincing reason to ignore the issue. After all there are less than 100 unarmed civilians killed by law enforcement per year and people seem to be pretty concerned about that. Unfortunately, there doesn’t appear to be good information on how many of these late in pregnancy abortions are done for medical reasons (either in response to fetal abnormalities that hadn’t been previously detected or in cases where the mother’s life is at risk), but it seems like it’s not the majority based on this FAQ”
“ I did find some poll results on non-medical reasons for delaying abortion. The most common reason was lack of funds. I know that a lot of Americans don’t just have $500 lying around, but if there’s any situation where it makes sense to do whatever you must to get it, it’s this. For one thing, abortions get a lot more expensive, a lot harder to get and require more recovery time when you get them late in pregnancy. And a baby will obviously cost a lot more than $500. Depending on your pre-existing biases you’ll either take this statistic as a sign that people need to take more personal responsibility for their lives (and fetuses) or as a point in favor of universal healthcare and easier abortion access. Regardless, I think most people can agree that reducing the frequency of late in pregnancy abortions would be a good thing.”
Another thing - how many people do you actually think will get T3 abortions for no reason? I think a very small number. I'm willing to accept that for the sake of liberty. Unless you believe in draconian drug restrictions and surveillance everywhere to stop crime, you should too.
All good points, thanks for the comments. My position was long against late in pregnancy abortions but I’ve come to doubt the benefits of that given the liberty concerns, edge cases etc. That said, I do think a larger number of voluntary late abortions do happen vs what pro choicers tend to think. The data is bad but there’s ~4000 abortions after the 21st week per year in the US and it’s unclear how many are “voluntary” but I think it’s potentially the majority of those… will link to 2 things I looked at in a previous piece
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45161.pdf
https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/
Linked in my other abortion post: https://open.substack.com/pub/reganarntzgray/p/pro-choice-anti-abortion?r=ipqw&utm_medium=ios
Quoting myself: “ But there are still over 4,000 abortions per year that happen later than 21 weeks into pregnancy. And for people that agree that late in pregnancy abortions are on a spectrum with infanticide, noting that there are “only” 4,000 per year isn’t a convincing reason to ignore the issue. After all there are less than 100 unarmed civilians killed by law enforcement per year and people seem to be pretty concerned about that. Unfortunately, there doesn’t appear to be good information on how many of these late in pregnancy abortions are done for medical reasons (either in response to fetal abnormalities that hadn’t been previously detected or in cases where the mother’s life is at risk), but it seems like it’s not the majority based on this FAQ”
“ I did find some poll results on non-medical reasons for delaying abortion. The most common reason was lack of funds. I know that a lot of Americans don’t just have $500 lying around, but if there’s any situation where it makes sense to do whatever you must to get it, it’s this. For one thing, abortions get a lot more expensive, a lot harder to get and require more recovery time when you get them late in pregnancy. And a baby will obviously cost a lot more than $500. Depending on your pre-existing biases you’ll either take this statistic as a sign that people need to take more personal responsibility for their lives (and fetuses) or as a point in favor of universal healthcare and easier abortion access. Regardless, I think most people can agree that reducing the frequency of late in pregnancy abortions would be a good thing.”
I strongly agree with trying to do something to lower the number. Screening earlier for genetic diseases, perhaps adoption in those cases, etcetera.
Sending the people to jail or banning it sounds like a bad intervention that’s a slippery slope to policies that are even worse.
Also 22 weeks is not the same as say 36 weeks.