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Oliver's avatar

Engagement rings do seem like an anachronistic remnant of the dowry era, but I have to admit that symbols can matter in relationships. Debates about the "usefulness" of engagement rings can sometimes seem similar to arguments about the "usefulness" of marriage. Yet I think it's hard to escape the usefulness of marriage as a symbol of relationship strength for most people. Engagement rings might hold a similar value for many people and I don't know if we should necessarily try to dissuade them too strongly.

Thinking of your comments about "barrier to exit," what if men proposed by putting a down payment on something that can be both showy and useful, like a desired car or dress instead?

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Alien On Earth's avatar

Counterpoint:

I acknowledge that expensive "symbols" like 3 month engagement rings, lavish weddings, exotic honeymoons, etc., can have high social value and that many individuals want them for other reasons. However, engaging in them has large opportunity costs. Such expenses can readily top a hundred grand which is nothing if you are a Gates (of the Microsoft Gates), etc. However, for normies such extreme one time expenses represents the loss of real value: paying off college debts, a down

payment on a home, capital to start a business, etc. There is nothing wrong with wanting them but actually spending that money on ephemera at the start of a relationship does not bode well for future financial wisdom...

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