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Martin Greenwald, M.D.'s avatar

One question occurs to me: how much (stable, lasting) marriage do we want in a society? Not that we have tons of control over this stuff, but as a thought experiment. If we want more people to get married and stay married, I think we need to seriously rethink things because we're clearly doing it wrong. The way people understand what marriage means and entails, the way they filter their prospects, meet, and stay together today is all radically different than in prior generations in almost every respect (one reason there are so many divorces may be that people actually aren't that great at picking a spouse for themselves, and having extra family and community help/input is important because other people often know us better than we know ourselves). Or—we could accept that marriage isn't for everyone and that our culture may evolve into one in which only a minority of people who are really gunning to get married actually do it, with everyone else doing just whatever. But I'm not sure the second option is sustainable on a civilizational level. Gotta think about this some more.

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Paul's avatar

I think it would be worth categorizing the root causes of divorce. To do this correctly, one should lay out the functions of marriage, then address divorce as functional failure, but that's a longer post. I'd propose the categories: bad match, bad person, values grow apart, building resentment, simple lack of commitment and bad event (child's death, illness etc).

Bad match comes in a variety of flavors, but this is really a failure of the filtering process and communities to support the marriage initially. One of the points of marriage is to end bad ones before they start. An over abundance of individualism has people fun shy about preempting bad marriages. Proxy with short marriages?

Bad people are bad matches in spades with a layer of deceit. This includes violence, narcissists and low integrity people. This needs to be filtered before a horrible marriage and divorced if missed.

Values can change especially when someone marries younger. The goal of marriage is to grow together, but people values can change unreconcilably. Easy example is initially not wanting kids, then pivoting at 35. Religious/spiritual and material values also apply. Hard to proxy without an explicit question.

Building resentment categorizes general life stress that gets redirected at the partner, kills communication, just general deterioration. I'd proxy this with 7 year hump stuff. Marriage counseling/social slap in the faith and recommitting to each other can work if caught early as most marriages deal with this, move through it and thrive. I'm not saying this is universally fixable, but this is what people are discussing when they recommend working through marriage struggles.

Lack of commitment. Proxy with multiple marriages, high relationship counts. Not everyone who legally gets married is all that committed. I'd consider this marriage light, not really worth discussing. If only one person is low commitment, this is incredibly tragic and overlaps with bad match. If both are commitment light, whatever.

Bad event. About 100 horrible things that poison the marriage from the outside. Optimally the marriage should be a source of strength for deaths, cancer, rape, financial catastrophe. But if your spouse reminds you of your dead kid or sex is now deeply traumatic or you just can't handle a new situation divorce is simply fallout.

My point: sometimes the matching process is the issue, sometimes people need to be better at marriage and sometimes exogenous events hit. More often then not, divorce is not a great signal about your type and decision making even if it's ex post optimal. Because divorce is often downstream of casual ugly, it's hard to draw empirical solutions. Maybe use temporary separation or marriage counseling as a control to differentiate working through marriage issues vs divorce?

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