Yeah, true, I think all of the trans stuff where there’s a conflict of interests does relate to the “whose welfare” concept. In this case though, the elite female athletes are such a small population on their own that I feel like to make the case that you’re sacrificing median for outlier you need to tie in the effect on non elite athlet…
Yeah, true, I think all of the trans stuff where there’s a conflict of interests does relate to the “whose welfare” concept. In this case though, the elite female athletes are such a small population on their own that I feel like to make the case that you’re sacrificing median for outlier you need to tie in the effect on non elite athletes. So if young girls are inspired by female athletes now and wouldn’t be if trans women were included that’s a clearer case of sacrificing median for outlier. I think with the trans youth medicine there’s a stronger conflict of median vs outlier, at least assuming you think there are more gender non conforming youth who could get confused or get inappropriate treatment than you think there are “real” trans youth.
I'm a little confused by what you are saying. I don't think I'm tracking which side is which.
Say you have a field of 200 women track athletes, 5 trans and 195 cis. Favoring the median would be to ban the 5 in favor of the 195. Favoring the outlier would be keeping all 200 to the detriment of the 195.
It sounds like you are saying that to make the case for favoring the 195 you need to take into account young girls. But it's already 39 to 1 in the number of people who benefit to the number who lose out. That seems pretty strong by itself.
Yeah, no you’re definitely right, it still fits technically. But when I think of what would actually motivate the type of person I was thinking of as a “medianist” (for lack of a better term) I’d expect them to say “who cares about women’s sports and 200 elite athletes anyways? This is a distraction from what actually matters, which are things that affect all girls (or boys)”. Also, over time, based on how over represented DSD athletes are the percentage of trans athletes competing in the women’s elite division would likely be larger than 5/200. But yes, for the DSD vs non DSD women the median vs outlier at least technically fits (and would continue to since we don’t have reason to expect DSDs to become more prevalent)
Ok I get what you are saying now. My perspective is that I ran a rec sports league for a couple years so I'm thinking "what is going to be best for the people who would play in this league?" and it's basically irrelevant to the wider world, but I get that as a concern for something like the Olympics or world games where more people are going to be affected
Yeah, true, I think all of the trans stuff where there’s a conflict of interests does relate to the “whose welfare” concept. In this case though, the elite female athletes are such a small population on their own that I feel like to make the case that you’re sacrificing median for outlier you need to tie in the effect on non elite athletes. So if young girls are inspired by female athletes now and wouldn’t be if trans women were included that’s a clearer case of sacrificing median for outlier. I think with the trans youth medicine there’s a stronger conflict of median vs outlier, at least assuming you think there are more gender non conforming youth who could get confused or get inappropriate treatment than you think there are “real” trans youth.
I'm a little confused by what you are saying. I don't think I'm tracking which side is which.
Say you have a field of 200 women track athletes, 5 trans and 195 cis. Favoring the median would be to ban the 5 in favor of the 195. Favoring the outlier would be keeping all 200 to the detriment of the 195.
It sounds like you are saying that to make the case for favoring the 195 you need to take into account young girls. But it's already 39 to 1 in the number of people who benefit to the number who lose out. That seems pretty strong by itself.
Yeah, no you’re definitely right, it still fits technically. But when I think of what would actually motivate the type of person I was thinking of as a “medianist” (for lack of a better term) I’d expect them to say “who cares about women’s sports and 200 elite athletes anyways? This is a distraction from what actually matters, which are things that affect all girls (or boys)”. Also, over time, based on how over represented DSD athletes are the percentage of trans athletes competing in the women’s elite division would likely be larger than 5/200. But yes, for the DSD vs non DSD women the median vs outlier at least technically fits (and would continue to since we don’t have reason to expect DSDs to become more prevalent)
Ok I get what you are saying now. My perspective is that I ran a rec sports league for a couple years so I'm thinking "what is going to be best for the people who would play in this league?" and it's basically irrelevant to the wider world, but I get that as a concern for something like the Olympics or world games where more people are going to be affected