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Anuradha Pandey's avatar

I hear what you're saying about using sex appeal/attractiveness in contexts in which you intellect is the thing you're really selling (such as when in male dominated technical jobs like I am in). However, even if I consciously avoid doing so, I know on some level that being attractive both works against and for me. I don't seek out simps but I do seek out male allies, and white guys and I just happen to get along well. I'm not sure if that's the behavior you're describing, but maybe it is and I'm just being defensive. Regardless, it's a reality when you're in a male dominated industry that male allies are essential, especially because in such contexts women come for you even harder. So you're placed in an impossible situation if you're even remotely attractive in a male dominated context. On the one hand, women come for you hard if you are attractive and your intellectual output is solid, and men also are attracted to you for presumably intellect but also probably because of attractiveness. The latter I can't control, and I need to make allies to make sure the work gets done. So really, attractive women with significant intellectual output are in a bind. Attraction of others can't be controlled, and I don't necessarily think every attractive woman is consciously using that to get ahead, either. It's just a reality of inter-gender collegiality.

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I think you've identified that there is a progression of behaviors that leverage male sexual attraction to female the settings such as work. At one end being attractive and smiling soothes men and can de-escalate situations. At the other end of the spectrum, sexual favors to get ahead even when consenting should be illegal. There exists a line where something is socially improper but not worth making illegal. Third parties are most negatively impacted by this behavior.

I think we've replaced slut shaming in the workforce with an aggressive sexual harassment HR culture. If anyone goes to HR with implications of impropriety, it's a giant mess that can be career destroying. The current equilibrium is that most men are extremely conservative with their relationships with women at work. This hilariously reinforces gender segregated culture at work. I am much more judicious about one on one lunches with women relative to men (and considerably more so for dinners and drinks). The more sexually forward a women is at work, the more careful men need to be. Perhaps this is the appropriate tension, but in its own way it constrains female expectations of sexuality and equal treatment.

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