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“ Men did not historically spend significant portions of their adult lives tied to their babies and therefore vulnerable, and with less ability to produce for themselves, leaving their welfare in large part dependent on whether they were lucky enough to have kind and respectful men in their life”

Wrong. Replace “babies” with “women” and the statement is true. Women sacrifice for babies, and men sacrifice for women.

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>Their sexual expression is not limited by the threat of pregnancy, something women have only recently gained any meaningful control over.<

I think this statement encapsulates a large pillar of your worldview that many people do not share. When you describe pregnancy as a threat, you are communicating a fundamentally anti-child, anti-family, anti-life ideology. This sentiment is not only instinctively repellent to many people, it is highly maladaptive and out of sync with basic biological reality. You're telling people that "women's rights" means going extinct. Evolutionary pressures suggest that this is an unsustainable paradigm over the longer term.

What's strange is that logically, I don't think there is any real reason why identifying as a feminist *must* come along with this anti-reproduction ideology, yet it almost always does. Perhaps that part of the discussion deserves a bit more focus. No matter what else someone might tell me, I simply can't give much value to a worldview that sees reproduction as a threat to be eliminated.

My other comment is that, if you're actually worried about being placed into the Handmaid's Tale somehow, this is also a good reason to drop the label "feminist" and stop obsessing over the topic. For a certain period of time it seemed that people were fairly content with the achievements of the Civil Rights movement, at least by comparison to today. And then what happened? Race grifters kept pushing and pushing and pushing, they refused to take the W. The result is that today many people on the right have concluded that destructive anti-white DEI nonsense was an inevitable result of Civil Rights, and that the whole thing may have been a mistake from the start.

Young men today have been made expendable and most of them know it. Society has little use for them besides maybe to make the green line go up, although they may not be needed even for that as the endless waves of migrant workers continue to flood in. If they then continue to hear nothing but more hand-wringing over how the Handmaid's Tale might be right around the corner, I imagine this would only cause them to completely dismiss anyone calling themselves a "feminist" as an enemy against whom they must harden their heart. And I'm not sure if I could blame them. You can't have good faith interactions based on hyping up the fear that the other party are secretly ravenous degenerates who might suddenly turn to cartoonish villainy at a moment's notice.

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